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19 March 2012, 01:15 AM   #1
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SPOILERS!



Okay like many of you I was very angry with the result of Mass Effect 3's ending, but
could it be Bioware's greed and genius has just created the ultimate apex in video game
story telling?
Think of it like this, how has Shepard not experienced indoctrination through his many
encounters with the Reapers? He has actually if you carefully watch the events of ME3
unfold. Do any of you remember that small child at the beginning of ME3 well of course
Shepard was haunted by him through out the game, but did anyone else ever see him? No he
is never acknowledged by anyone, but Shepard. It is also known that indoctrination is much
more sinister than simply stabbing one to a dragon's tooth. Look at the Illusive Man he
believed he was doing right by fighting his own kind to control the reapers.
Now comes the ending. Why was Anderson's choice to kill the Reapers shaded in red where as
the Illusive Mans choice to control the Reapers was shaded in blue. It is the continued
work of the Reapers attempts at indoctrination. Also at the ending how did your squad
members get back to the ship and did it ever show any reapers dieing or any mass relays
blowing up. Or did any Geth die? No. Also consider that the Geth and even EDI have gained
a sense of humanity so could they even still be considered synthetics like the reapers, so
they would not die from the crucible. It was all a lie!

If any of these theories are true then Bioware has created the ultimate end to the series
being faced with the greatest choice and being lied to about it.
If Bioware asks for $20 for DLC for the ending I would gladly pay every cent if this is
true.

Who can say video games are not art now?

19 March 2012, 01:17 AM   #2
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Also further proof remember at the beginning of the game that little boy gets aboard the
Kodiak but no one helps him, because of course he isnt there!

20 March 2012, 08:19 AM   #3
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e.e So many easy answers to your questions....

1. "Do any of you remember that small child at the beginning of ME3 well of course Shepard
was haunted by him through out the game, but did anyone else ever see him?" & "Also
further proof remember at the beginning of the game that little boy gets aboard the Kodiak
but no one helps him, because of course he isnt there!"
No, no one else saw him because he was hiding in a vent. Then he crawled into a ship that
was blasted by a Reaper. I'm sure people in the ship saw him, but he died immediately
after so what difference does it make? And no one helped him because he was the last one
on the ship. Everyone was worried about their own lives. I'd guess his parents were killed
or something, and that's why he was alone.
2. "Look at the Illusive Man he believed he was doing right by fighting his own kind to
control the reapers."
Not a question, but still needs an answer. Jack Harper, also known as the Illusive Man,
was struck in the eyes by an ancient Reaper artifact on Palaven. It explains it in the
comics. He and Saren both were affected. It took longer to get to the Illusive Man
though.
3. "Why was Anderson's choice to kill the Reapers shaded in red where as the Illusive Mans
choice to control the Reapers was shaded in blue." Because in the point of view of the
Reapers, killing them is a "bad" action, thus red/Renegade. They'd prefer you to attempt
to control them rather than straight-out kill them (which is why the Conduit spent so much
time discussing this option and the other rather than killing them), which is why that is
blue/Paragon.
4. "Also at the ending how did your squad members get back to the ship and did it ever
show any reapers dieing or any mass relays blowing up." Shepard went to the
Citadel/Conduit with a small team from Earth, not his/her squad members. They went back to
the ship instead of following him/her.
5. "Or did any Geth die? No. Also consider that the Geth and even EDI have gained a sense
of humanity so could they even still be considered synthetics like the reapers, so they
would not die from the crucible." Depending on which ending you chose, and whether or not
you sided with the Geth or Quarians, or if you reunited them, either all synthetics died
if you destroyed the Reapers (including the Mass Effect relays and Shepard if you didn't
have 100% galactic readiness). When Joker lands the Normandy on the island/whatever it is,
EDI does not join him because she is "dead".

I personally really hope that their first DLC will explain each ending, depending on which
choice you made and other choices from the game. I was actually rather confused by it, and
though I understand it a little more now after talking about it with a friend and reading
about other endings online, I'm still confused as to what exactly happened to Shepard, the
crew, and the galaxy in general. But that's just my opinion. I like the ending as it is
now. It leaves it open for other games in the future, which are coming. Can't wait for
Mass Effect 4. 

21 March 2012, 01:27 AM   #4
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Last edited by ‹Wonderlust King›, 21 March 2012
There will be no Mass Effect 4 it will only be DLC. Besides even if that was the ending
there couldn't be a ME4 if the Mass Relays were destroyed.
Also my Shepard isn't dead he wakes up in a pile of concrete. For one there is no concrete
on the citadel and two the citadel blew up!

Why do I never have to reload my pistol during the end? I was carrying a Carnifex Hand
Cannon they only have a clip size of six I definitely fired more than 6 shots.

Also in the last conversation I had with Javik he mentions that I may have to make even
greater decisions.

The team could never get back to the ship for one why would they? Also how would they get
back in time since Cortez and most of the other Kodiaks are down.

Also the entire scene with Anderson and the Illusive Man can be easily interpreted as an
inner battle within Shepard between the indoctrined part and the part still fighting. If
you let Anderson die Shepard has given up.

I know Bioware they would not finish this series with such an average ending. Mass Effect
is not Dragon Age they are completely different feels to the stories. I didn't hate the
ending I felt it was lacking and if the indoctrined theory is true and further dlc will
expand it I think it would be very clever 

Alsooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Garrus x Tali >


and this video describes it much better than me

21 March 2012, 02:48 AM   #5
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Last edited by ‹Wonderlust King›, 21 March 2012
Actually there is even more proof in the video than I thought!
Why would there be mechanisms from the Shadow Brokers ship inside the citadel! I wondered
why all those things looked so familiar

Mooooore evidence! You can see both Kaiden's and Ashley's bodies in a pile of dead at the
end....again how is that possible if this is not an illusion.

21 March 2012, 04:44 AM   #6
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"There will be no Mass Effect 4 it will only be DLC. Besides even if that was the ending
there couldn't be a ME4 if the Mass Relays were destroyed."
Actually, there will be a Mass Effect 4, and probably several beyond that. They concluded
Shepard's story, but the Mass Effect games are far from being over. They've already
confirmed it.
Also, just because the Mass Effect relays were destroyed doesn't mean they can't find
another way to travel.

"Also my Shepard isn't dead he wakes up in a pile of concrete. For one there is no
concrete on the citadel and two the citadel blew up!"
The Citadel blew up. Shepard lands on the ground on Earth; not the Citadel.

"Why do I never have to reload my pistol during the end? I was carrying a Carnifex Hand
Cannon they only have a clip size of six I definitely fired more than 6 shots."
Because Bioware messed up probably xD

"The team could never get back to the ship for one why would they? Also how would they get
back in time since Cortez and most of the other Kodiaks are down."
They most likely would go back and wait for Shepard to finish activating the Catalyst and
whatnot. They were already on a shuttle with Shepard, if I remember correctly, so my guess
is after Shepard/Anderson/random people landed, they were taken back to the Normandy.

"Alsooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Garrus x Tali"
=.= Eff that. Garrus is MINE. ♥♥♥

"Mooooore evidence! You can see both Kaiden's and Ashley's bodies in a pile of dead at the
end....again how is that possible if this is not an illusion."
Bioware most likely used their "designs" as defaults for the human bodies. Saves time with
having to create new ones.

21 March 2012, 05:27 AM   #7
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What about the fact that Major Coats (aka Captain Fish n Chips) says he didn't see anyone
go into the conduit how did Shepard and Anderson get in. Also why would Hammer retreat if
Harbinger and the other reapers guarding the conduit are gone?

No I know they will continue the games, but Shepard's tale is a trilogy future games will
be spin offs. DLC for the real ending is definite.

Bioware wouldn't make that big of a flop. They wouldn't just give you infinite ammo if it
wasn't real.

But why?! They are probably on the ground fighting the Reapers tooth and nail. Also in my
game Javik was the one to step out of the Normandy (also Liara buts thats because I
romanced her) why would Javik leave the fight with the Reapers!? Javik already made it
clear he will not stop until every reaper is dead, so wouldnt he be there until the last
moment.

XD I knew you would get mad about that! Well Liara is mine :3

Why would they do that if it wasn't a hint at something? They have hundreds of other
standard human skins that were less recognizable that they could of used!

Did you watch the video?

Also why did the Citadel look so much like a mix between the Collector's Base, Shadow
Broker's Base, and the sky boxes of the Citadel?

There is so much evidence I'm not sure how you can deny it?

Hell even tips from the previous games imply it. Think about what the Rachni Queen said
about her people originally getting controlled by the Reapers that their "song" was like a
shadowy wisps whispering fear....what are those things you see and hear in Shepard's
dreams? Oh yeah Shadowy Wisps that whisper fear.

Come on why are you still trying to deny it? lol
What did you screw up and choose to be synthesized or attempt and fail at controlling
them?

21 March 2012, 05:32 AM    #8
Joined: 24 Mar 2010
Posts: 53
Also consider this indoctrination had to get to Shepard some time in the game. Now if
Bioware presented it in a traditional way it would have been obvious to the player to
oppose the Reapers, but with this ambiguous ending it shows that most people failed the
final test. The Reapers did not only trick Shepard, but also the player himself.

Male Shep ftw!



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