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17 December 2008, 08:13 PM   #1
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Last edited by Oroborus21, 17 December 2008
whats the point?

to have a Kupika that is more exclusive?


the "purpose" given (as vague as it is) states: "to filter out the bad guys"


Thus, it seems to me that by drawing off the "good guys" to a sister site you dilute the
regular K.com and leave it full of the "bad guys" no?  

Seems sort of self-defeating. K.com is already "floundering" in some ways:

-FT and chat activity is minimal and when active usually full of the same stupid stuff
(hardly no one is interested in sincere dialogue or discussion it seems)
-rarely more than 200 people log in at any given time and quite frequently its under 100
people
-too many clubs, too much club redundency and too little club activity (even in the best
ones)
-same old drama, same old crap, same old creeps, same old people who dont care to upbuild
others but just want to tear others down or find something about others to attack or
criticize.


so does drawing away "good people" help out any of these problems or will it make them
worse?

seems to me rather that starting a separate sister site which you intend to populate with
"good people" that it would be better to identify the "good people" on K.com and empower
them with some tools to deal with the "bad people" OR better yet, since i think such mod
tools goes against the fundamental openness principles kupika was founded on or would lead
to a worse system, using a DESIGNATION (or the current 5 star system) or combinaton of
symbols/ratings in such a way that people will recognize who are the good people and who
are the bad people...as determined by both consensus of the community and by some
"authority" (the webmaster or a committee ofsome sort)

to this end i think the "bad people" should be further designated in some way....beyond
the "warning feature"

some system should be identified for example someone like myself could be designated with
a symbol or rating that says in essense:  "i am adult, who is known to sometimes delve
into adult themes and humor, some people have raised concerns about this person's
communications and relationships with minors on this site" (in movie terms maybe a PG-13
or Rated R)

a next darker level might be a symbol or rating that says this person is such and
such......bad person

a third lowest level where the person has the actual warning thing on their profile and
some additional symbols ratings that show the community has flagged them and the
webmaster/designated committee has reviewed some evidence, showing that this person is
such and such..bad person

and below that they have their acct deleted.... 

..................

(there is a lot to think about, i will think about it and see what others have to say too)

17 December 2008, 08:27 PM   #2
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Last edited by Kovee, 17 December 2008
It's to get rid of kind of mean people from kupika, because it's invite only it's
supposed to filter them out because no one will invite them and hina won't accept they're
requests.

Damn, I'm useless at explaining. x_x In simple words-- it's not more exclusive just invite
only to get rid of annoying/mean people. (: That's what I understand it to be anyway.

In hina's own words:
"Actually there is no exact definition to "nice"...
I cannot specify any criteria, but my goal is to create a cozy community, just like
Kupika.com when it was first started. I have heard members complained about mean people,
fakers, perverts etc. on Kupika.com. And sadly I cannot ban such people because
registration is open for everyone. Now, with this invite-only system, we can keep the bad
guys out. It is also a social experiment, will it work? Will it be better from Kupika.com?
Who knows, we will see...  "


In answer to "whats the point?" what's not the point? :D

17 December 2008, 08:27 PM   #3
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I'm on it now. I think so. Also, since there aren't that many people, it goes faster? I
don't know. But, it's fun. :D

17 December 2008, 08:34 PM   #4
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still want's the point of it. even to get rid of mean people, you simple inorge

17 December 2008, 08:42 PM   #5
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What's not the point? o.O

17 December 2008, 08:45 PM   #6
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that most people take the time to request or ask for a invite.

17 December 2008, 08:50 PM   #7
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Last edited by Kovee, 17 December 2008
Actually not everyone has to request, your friends can invite you. (: Plus if you can't
be bothered to request-- then I don't see why you're bothering to complain? Also the point
isn't just to get the mean people off~ it's to create a "cozy community" which has been
lost on here since it started getting big.

17 December 2008, 09:15 PM   #8
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It won't open =

17 December 2008, 09:23 PM   #9
Lonely Heart
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
Posts: 294
Some people can ignore the bad members. But, some other people cannot. And it is for
this latter group I created Kupika.co.uk.

In Kupika.com you can do [almost] anything. I rarely delete anyone's account here.

But, in Kupika.co.uk I will be more strict.

In Kupika.com everyone is equal. No one has more power than the others. You have absolute
freedom here. Giving a certain group more power, or appointing some "moderators", is
against this principle.
(Actually, "moderation" is a good concept -- IF done by the right people. Too bad, there
are few people who are capable of doing a good moderation.)

Kupika.co.uk will be more "regulated"; I will see what happen there and act accordingly.

Which one do you prefer?
There are so many people in the Internet. I am sure some of them will prefer the freedom
in Kupika.com. But, if you prefer a more controlled environment (and hopefully nicer), you
can go to Kupika.co.uk. There's a price for everything; a trade-off. Would you compromise
the freedom in order to have a "nicer" community? Everyone will have a different answer to
this.

I am not exactly sure how it will turn out. It is a social experiment; a different
approach in managing a community. The result will be interesting. It might be a success.
It might be a failure. Either way, we will learn something.



What's the point in your asking "whats the point" ?
Kupika.com is not affected in any way, so whatever going on in Kupika.co.uk shouldn't
bother you at all.
If you are concerned the "good guys" will flock to Kupika.co.uk.... no need to worry,
people will do what's comfortable for them. If they don't like it here (K-com), they will
leave anyway, perhaps to Bebo or Gaia or DA or some other places.
It won't open =
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17 December 2008, 09:25 PM   #10
Joined: 21 May 2008
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but kupika.com isnt really "big" loook how many people are online right now? really not
many...its not like there is ever a thousand people online at once?

.......idk there are lots of ways to deal with differetn things and lots of issues
involved and i was thinkng about it on my drive home for lunch..

but the problem i see is that no matter how one attempts to deal with it all, it always
comes down to people themselves.

people are people...people sometimes get a long and they frequently dont..

and lets face it with kupika's population being heavily skewed to a median age of about 14
it seems....there is a LOT of immaturity..

frankly as i see it, its that immaturity that is usually the source of all of the crap on
Kupika...from faker accounts, to meannesss and bullying, to misplaced sexuality and
personal expression, to not controlling one's self, to needs for attention via suicide
threats, and fake stories and other drama, to just junior-high type bitching and drama and
gossip etc.

.............a lot of that stuff in my opinion is the 'bad stuff" on kupika..

but others have a different view...others would want kupika to be a "safe place for
kids"......they dont want club penquin or whatever...but they want to take over the
intention of Kupika....which if you go back and look at it, HIna created it as a small
community for his COLLEGE friends (and college bound).....hello news flash..... it was
never meant as a place for kids..........

as for the invitation thing of kupika.com.uk.......thats a joke.......a social experiment
doomed to collapse....

just wait till some members invite their friends who are not liked by the other
members.....

idk.......i look at all of this stuff and i wonder whether it really is a big enough
problem to even worry about......

it also makes me think of old ideas that I once proposed, that i think would be better
solutions, such as:

-getting members who want to be sexual/adult/ etc. to adopt a XXX designation in their
name/now display name and teaching everyone what that means...

- adopting a "genuine" or as other sites have it a VERIFIED designation where a person can
submit proof of identity/salute photo and receive the designation (to discourage faking)

yet........the idea was to make Kupika Anonymous........and that right there is a key
issue. anonymous can be good for many reasons yet at the same time, many of us dont want
to be anonymous..because we want to make real penpals and real relationships....so that
now or one day in the future, we might be actual friends who ring each other up, or
exchange christmas cards or visit each other........

............so idk....like i said theres a lot to discuss and lots of points of views...
but i dont see any good coming out of siphoning off "good people" to a sister website, i
think all that leads to is a poorer Kupika.com

17 December 2008, 09:33 PM   #11
Joined: 21 May 2008
Posts: 423
ok so i just read Hina's post..

as usual he makes pretty good sense.

i agree with the idea of giving people a choice.......and if kcom.uk is going to be more
tightly "regulated" it makes sense that the users would choose to abide by that

(one thing about that though, shouldnt people be able to see what what the rules are or
deal is prior to joining rather than after? i htink those should be posted on the front
door so they can decide whether they want to submit themselves to the rules first)

...........i dont know the procedure...but i think it will be interesting to see who gets
invited and who gets denied..

i think the overall impact on K.com is probably goign to be the same as K.net

...............................

in the end and the bottom line for me still comes down to people....maturity and
immaturity and also just the differences in people...not eveyrone is likeable or liked by
everyone else and we are all imperfect and have our faults and flaws and sins.

i guess the message that needs to be absorbed by some is that there is no such thing as a
Utopian society either in the real world or in the cyber one so just accept that fact and
learn to live in an imperfect world.  Recognizing that an dembracing that is a sign of
maturity i believe.

17 December 2008, 09:43 PM   #12
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Joined: 12 Mar 2007
Posts: 294
Have you realized, why we cannot "ban" any people from Kupika.com?
Because registration is open for everyone. And this is The Internet.

Using the invite system, it will be easier to control the membership.
but i dont see any good coming out of siphoning off "good people" to a sister website, i think all that leads to is a poorer Kupika.com
This is your main concern, yes? As I said earlier, people will do what's comfortable for them. If they don't like it here... It doesn't matter whether there's another Kupika or not, they will leave anyway. On the other hand, I am sure another group of people will still like it here. I am just providing an alternative. Btw, good idea about the rules, I will be posting that soon.
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17 December 2008, 11:36 PM   #13
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All of the kiddies who claim that Kupika was made for kids and think every slightly
suggestive Oekaki should be mature can go over there and leave us alone. It's a good idea.

17 December 2008, 11:44 PM   #14
Joined: 21 May 2008
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Last edited by Oroborus21, 17 December 2008
actually now there is a good idea. why not make it a Kupika Jr. Playland and make it a
kupika for "kids"

nominally restrict it to under 18 years old AND all users have to agree to the rules....

sure anyone can put a fake age of course, but since you will have rules from the outset
about restricting certain activites like cybering, porn, language AND boot out anyone that
you get complaints about.

i think you should also go further Hina and say that with that site, that the user's
mail/messages/etc are subject to inspection if you get complaints

that way all of those kupika users can join it and it can be more tightly regulated.


AND while you are at it, make a third Kupika site for Adults only and for Dating (18 +)

(which is free to include the stuff i mentioned, cybering, adult advertising, soliticting
bfs/gfs, dating and what not)

18 December 2008, 12:34 AM    #15
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Well, If they were to do the kupikas for under eighteen and over eighteen
I think the under eighteen should still have the rights for the dating thing
possibly cybering

It's their choice and all. But not the porn on profiles
and things of that nature.

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