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17 November 2008, 05:33 PM   #1
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Last edited by hina, 17 November 2008
I see several people have gotten their oekakis stolen and uploaded to DeviantArt.

For example:
http://nikikiat.deviantart.com/gallery/#_featured--4

I need not comment on the negative side of this matter, but, look at the positive side:
your art is popular and people like it! That's why it's stolen in the first place!

But of course, you want to get credit for YOUR work.

Obviously the #1 thing to do is to report such thief to DA management:
http://help.deviantart.com/contact/
violations@deviantart.com

In your report, remember to include a link to the original oekaki here in Kupika.

The more people that report, the better.


Now, the more important thing:
What can we do to prevent such thing from happening again?

Is "reporting the theft after it has happened" the best thing we can do?



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17 November 2008, 05:37 PM   #2
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Last edited by Bootheghost, 17 November 2008
Well, this is probably tricky to create, but on DA, there is an option (?) to watermark
your creations and art work with the DA logo and your name.

Perhaps, on here, there could be a check box where you can apply a faint watermark to your
oekaki?

Of course, it should only be optional, as some do not like having things like that over
their art.

Just a thought to consider.

17 November 2008, 06:01 PM   #3
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Yes, but as soon as someone finds a thief, the thief is then usually pulverized to pulp.
Yeh, a watermark would be good! You can have an option to put a little watermark with
Kupika on it, or maybe the watermark of your username over it. 

i.e.

StarDust@Kupika etc

17 November 2008, 06:01 PM   #4
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OHMYGOD
I HAVE TO REPORT THAT RIGTH NOW!

17 November 2008, 06:03 PM   #5
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Yeah, Im glad that agel girl pointed that out this morning. I didn't believe her until I
checked. She has some of my gf's art D:

17 November 2008, 06:33 PM   #6
Joined: 3 May 2008
Posts: 69
Yes, as said above, you could have the option to watermark the drawings with your Kupika
name, ie Sugartastic / Bootheghost. And an awsome little © to go on the end of it ^^

17 November 2008, 06:48 PM   #7
Joined: 21 May 2008
Posts: 423
Last edited by Oroborus21, 17 November 2008
suggestions:

1) artists who care should sign their works ...the way artists have done it for centuries.
it doesnt prevent theft per se but it can help determine the creator by comparing images
and signatures

(and if the person on DA is doing it with diff people, the diff signatures would become
readily apparent to anyone seeing their pages and raise questions)

2) if its possible, on Kupika at least:

a. for the main Oekaki viewing page of an oekaki disable "right click", Disabling
right-click is a minor deterent and easily gotten around but it could prevent the less
sophisticates from stealing the image. I think its done with a simple java script.
b. code it so that when one takes the link to place the oekaki on their profile or
anywhere, it automatically puts a watermark on it or some source info OR get rid of this
function all together, its nice to be able to place a small or large thumbnail of an
Oekaki you like on your profile itself but it can lead to ownership confusion..
c. leave the kidnapping of a thumbnail for your profile, the same as it is now..thats fine
and nice



d. make all oekakis main pages assessible only to Kupika members (not public) (only the
small thumbnails on public profiles and the ones on the front page would be viewable but
if clicked on and main page came up if the user wasnt logged into Kupika they wouldnt be
able to see it)  (this brings the thieves in-house and makes them have to be a member of
Kupika and more easily found out)

and

3) among the functions of the club that i just became the owner of (originally founded by
Hina and Kristino)
namely The Oekaki Museum could be to:

a) monitor such art-thefts and report these within the club and dedicate a person to serve
as a Liason to DA to make all reports of such thefts to them. If one knows this is being
actively watched it could serve as an effective deterrent. Also, if artists or anyone
knows they can report to the Liason it would help.

b) establish a Provenance and Registration section whereby creators of Oekakis could
"register" their oekakis with the club by posting it in the club, creation date, etc. (the
posting itself would help establish date of creation and such) as further evidence that
could be supplied

c) establish a committee to review any disputes of ownership, these would be persons who
would be good at being able to compare an artist's known works; and would also contact the
parties involved trying to ask them questions and getting information about the oekaki in
question (essentially trying to interview and investigate the creation of the oekaki) and
the committee could after its investigation, issue an "opinion" about who it believes the
real owner to be.

..........we can discuss this more in TOM

17 November 2008, 07:02 PM   #8
Joined: 3 May 2008
Posts: 69
Disable right click? What about "Print Screen"?

17 November 2008, 07:04 PM   #9
Joined: 4 Jul 2007
Posts: 92
Exactly my thoughts; disabling right click will not over come the problems if print
screen is still possible. And you can't disable that.

Signatures can also been easily thrown out the window, as drawings can be cropped to
remove them.

17 November 2008, 07:11 PM   #10
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Build a Kupika jail and throw whoever is doing it in there. :P

I quite like the watermark idea, but as Bootheghost said it should be optional. 
Apart from that I can't actually see what you could do about it... 
Differcult really. (:

"And an awsome little © to go on the end of it ^^"
Makes me wish I could draw so I coud have one! xD

17 November 2008, 07:12 PM   #11
Joined: 21 May 2008
Posts: 423
print screen will add one more hoop they have to jump through as they will have to crop
and save as etc. ultimately it would help then in image comparison...i said it was a small
deterrent

cropping...part of image comparison....

if a thief presents a cropped work on DA, then DA can be supplied the uncropped
work....which would show the "cropped areas" obviously matching the whole image..(its like
the hidden part of a painting underneath its frame that helps distinguish originals from
fakes).....

AND

if thief shows Oekaki A with or without a signature....

Artist can show Oekaki  A, B, C, D, etc. with the same signature....having their other
works with the same signature helps show the probability that they also created Oekaki A

17 November 2008, 07:15 PM   #12
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I would like having the watermark too, that would be very useful ^^

^
"Build a Kupika jail and throw whoever is doing it there. :P"

XD

17 November 2008, 08:24 PM   #13
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she stole my vampire and my Bill Kaulitz!! D: i'm so upset now. i just might kill them.
but they stole sugartastics and doops and everyones!! I HATE ART THEIVES!! 

ranting over, i like oroborus's ideas except for the one about oekakis only accessed by
members. if the art theif was determined all they would have to do is make an account. i
dont know about others but i give this site out to a lot of people who think about
commissioning me, if they cant see my stuff right away that'd drive away a good 80%. i
dont do this anymore but most good artists here have deviantart accounts. if they post it
there without watermarks, a deviantart member could also steal it. its really a no win
situation.   

i hope they're banned. stealing mine is bad enough, but they said the same person who drew
my stuff drew chibis.

 i eat chibis   

17 November 2008, 08:42 PM   #14
Joined: 10 Oct 2007
Posts: 158
A watermarking feature would be really cool; I sign all of my oekakis anyway, not that
people would want them. xD

17 November 2008, 09:17 PM    #15
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"1) artists who care should sign their works ...the way artists have done it for
centuries. it doesnt prevent theft per se but it can help determine the creator by
comparing images and signatures"

The only problem with that is that you need a unique username with numbers or a '_' in it
otherwise, what the art thief did is said that the signature in the corner was just the
name of her supposed character. Watermarking would be better. Or setting it to kupika
members only or something.

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