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14 November 2008, 06:46 AM   #1
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Last edited by hina, 22 December 2008
Do you prefer Kupika to filter some words on Fleeting Thoughts or not?

You know, words like f**k, sh*t, and the like.

I want to know your preferences.
Are you OK reading such words on your screen or not?
(Especially when they are displayed in the Home section.)

In my country it is not acceptable to say such words in public  

I live in Indonesia, and we have such a different culture here.
Probably very different than America, Europe or Australia.

How about yours? And do you want to enable word filter for FT?


(oh, and how about the children??)
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14 November 2008, 08:50 AM   #2
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Last edited by Sanyu, 14 November 2008
I wrote my opinion in the age thread, because it's the same thing with the same
reasoning. You can't enforce it, and people who want to speak dirtily will find a way to
speak dirtily. Calling someone a piece of poo is sending the same message and implication
as calling them a piece of shit does, and cock doesn't have to be a suggestive word. Sex
is just a ridiculous word to filter on a site that claims to be open to all ages, yet is
babysitting the children. I don't think Kupika should be parenting the children on the
site, but rather endorsing parental bonding and involvement in the child's social life,
not only offline but online as well. I talk about my online friends and things that bother
me on the internet just as I would talk about things I do in my offline life to my friends
and family. If swearing bothered me offline I wouldn't attempt to cut it out, only ignore
it and not do it myself. I think it's the same online (though I do admit to the bad habit
of swearing.. which is probably a reason I'm against the word filter :P)

Not to mention, some people will only swear to enforce emphasis in their words, since tone
is very hard to read online. If you take away "shit" when someone is trying to be serious
and prove a point by using such a strong, foul word, and replace it with "poo", the
emphasis of their sentence is lost and the person looks silly for saying poo. I do admit
that the word fuck is overused by today's youth though, but at the same time how do you
stop it? Word filters won't stop it. Conditioning a child to think that foul language
makes them look trashy is the only way I see to stop it, and that's the responsibility of
the parent, not Kupika. I don't even agree with penalising a child for saying it, really..
Like smacks or painful things, anyway. Swear jars, I think, only encourage saving, so I
think they're a bit of a weird method to stop swearing.

But uh, anyway, that's my 2 cents. Bottom line: Don't do the parenting for the parents and
don't clean up their mess, because it isn't your mess to clean up and people won't
appreciate it anyway. (Y)

Hina needs to accept my new account!

14 November 2008, 09:58 AM   #3
Joined: 21 May 2008
Posts: 423
Ah my favorite subject. 

............. OK so here is my view about so-called "bad words aka profanity aka curse
words"

Words are essentially tools within language that we use to communicate with each
other. Just as there are not GOOD tools and BAD tools, there are really no such things as
Good Words or Bad Words in language.

Tools are tools and thats all they are. They are not inherently good or bad. Tools have
uses. Tools have appropriate uses and inappropriate uses. There are some tools you wouldnt
use for a particular job and there some tools that are better to use or more effective
than others for the same job.

Similarly, words have uses some of which are appropriate uses and some of which are
inappropriate uses. Some words might be more apt or better suited for the use intended
than other words that could be used.

A brief illustration. The word FUCK is commonly and mistakenly considered a "bad" word.
But as I've already stated words are neither inherently good or bad. 

If I use the word Fuck as a slur by saying: "You fuck!" that is, in most cases, an
inappropriate use. It is like using a chainsaw to cut butter when a dinner knife would
work as well and that is jarring in polite society.

But if the situation is slightly different, that is the situation is that my neighbor just
deliberately backed over my mailbox, the same "You Fuck!" would be considered an
appropriate use for the occassion by most people.

Still further, if while cuddling in the bedroom with my lover, I catch her eyes and say to
her firmly, "Fuck me now" - the situation would make it still even more appropriate.

Same word.......so simple to see that it's not the word itself that
magically changes from bad to half-bad to good......it's the situation and whether, as a
tool of communication, it is considered appropriate between the communicators.

Differing societies have different standards for what is considered appropriate and
inappropriate uses.

Even within the same societies, different populations have different standards of
appropriateness. Young people, which are the bulk of Kupikians, have been raised with
greater exposure and uses of language/words traditionally limited in usage to particular
situations. Unfortunately a LOT of the usage they have witnessed has been inappropriate.
This has normalized such inappropriate usage and desensitized them to it's usage and even
miseducated them about the use of such words. 

The problem is that this is a condition which can't be addressed effectively by a word
filter.

A WORD FILTER is a filter of TOOLS that automatically categorizes a set of certain tools
as "inherently bad" or inappropriate in every usage. That is just folly.

The only thing truly effective would be a filter that filtered inappropriate USAGE within
the larger context, but of course that would be next to impossible to design and
implement.

The current filter is essentially a large net straining out both appropriate uses and
inappropriate ones and that is frustrating to those of us who can discern the difference.
The intent is noble and perhaps that is what we have to suffer, a tyranny of the minority,
but personally I am the kind of person that advocates for education. So if it were up to
me, I would remove the filter and instead encourage the Kupika community to censure, shame
and otherwise apply peer-pressure to those who deliberately or repeatedly engage in
inappropriate word usage.

Additionally, as Fleeting Thoughts doesn't appear until a Letter is sent to anothe user, I
am not sure why there is no OPTION to disable it for the user. If that is made available,
then for the VERY YOUNG users whose activities are being monitored by their parents or for
those persons so inclined, they could opt to disable their FT so that it didnt show at all
just like when they first activated their account.

An even better option/feature would be an IGNORE action which is something weve asked for
before....so that if there was one or two persons carrying on in FT and being really rude
and completely misusing language, all of us or those who chose could click ignore them and
their posts to FT wouldn't appear in the box at all (or maybe completely scrambled).  That
would be very effective as a community tool especially when dealing with one spammer or
troll who is trying to get attention.

......
Having said all of the above, if there are no such options, the presence of the filter
isn't such an annoyance that it cant be tolerated. 

Most of us can find alternative tools to use and a few of the immature people who do it or
when the occassion calls for it we ourselves can always type in the spaces,alt characters
etc to convey the word we really really want to use in that moment.

14 November 2008, 01:33 PM   #4
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Last edited by _abc_, 14 November 2008
The "F" word goes beyond acceptance
I feel it is mostly inappropriate in ever case and should not be used.

14 November 2008, 04:03 PM   #5
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I think that you should make up something
that if people say those evil words should have a warning

14 November 2008, 04:29 PM   #6
Joined: 3 May 2008
Posts: 69
Wow.. Eddie. Shorten down your posts ^^;

Well.. I'm not to bothered with seeing them, cause I'll just ignore them.. But it could be
a good idea to star them out ("F___" = "****" etc.)

14 November 2008, 05:20 PM   #7
Joined: 6 Sep 2007
Posts: 494
Last edited by Lyncheh, 14 November 2008
^ If it's not the 'f' word, it's f.uck or f(_)ck.

ts;dr?
Huge & unnecessary signature gap is huge & unnecessary. :3

14 November 2008, 05:24 PM   #8
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Huh? "F___" = "f.uck" or "f(_)uk."

...

14 November 2008, 05:27 PM   #9
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Posts: 494
"Huh? "F___" = "f.uck" or "f(_)uk.""

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
The kids put symbols in the word to dodge the filter anyway. Ergo, pointless filter is
pointless. : P
Huge & unnecessary signature gap is huge & unnecessary. :3

14 November 2008, 06:00 PM   #10
Joined: 21 May 2008
Posts: 423
and since the word-meaning is still conveyed....   F*** is the same as Fuck within one's
mind.

one could even argue that F*** is "worse" than the unmitigated word because one takes an
instant more to construct what the word is and confirm it in their mind, whereas if they
just saw "fuck" within a sentence they would likely just give it a glance and not really
even think about it.

14 November 2008, 06:25 PM   #11
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i think you should filter it i mean little kids some 8 and 9 cmon people

14 November 2008, 06:34 PM   #12
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Posts: 494
Last edited by Lyncheh, 14 November 2008
^ wouldn't f**k just promt kids who don't know what it is to ask, "what's f**k?" and find
out anyway?

Also, I've noticed that sometimes people will say "oh poo" and then, when they realise
they've been filtered, say "*sh.it" to correct themselves.

It really is pretty pointless.
Huge & unnecessary signature gap is huge & unnecessary. :3

14 November 2008, 06:35 PM   #13
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Well I really could care less about the words. I don't see what
's so bad about them... but then again most people do mind.. if people want you to then go
ahead.

14 November 2008, 06:43 PM   #14
Joined: 4 Jul 2007
Posts: 92
When the words are not filtered and just left alone, one doesn't really take much notice
of them in causual conversation. When they are filtered, especially with the asterix/s,
they are more noticeable, and do prompt people to point them out, complain and ask
irrevelent questions.

Also, if small kids see it, it is their fault and the parents' fault. If one plans on
coming on a website liek this, they must be prepared for the consequences. One cannot go
through life without being affected by profanities and such.

Honestly, these swears are just a collection of letters, if you think about it. Someone
just decided they were rude. I find it silly how people get so worked up about swearing. I
swear all the time (yeah, bad habit. x]). Most people I know have learnt to ignore me;
which is what the rest of Kupika should do, I think. Swear words are words like any other
words; they were created to be used. The end of rant/what ever you call this.

14 November 2008, 08:14 PM    #15
Joined: 10 Oct 2007
Posts: 158
It doesn't bother me, and if you're really that offended by it you shouldn't be on here.
It's also been said that it's impossible to filter words, because the filter wouldn't
recognize s-h-i-t or sh1t.

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