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Debate Two: Should school students face a mandatory drug test?


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22 May 2009, 09:31 PM   #1
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I would have to say no on this issue. Although I think that drug abuse is a serious problem, I also believe that the more people start testing, they're not trying to stop the problem. They're looking for it. (I found this site that give debate ideas, so that's where I'm getting the next few I'm gonna post from xD)

22 May 2009, 09:37 PM   #2
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I don't think they should have students have to test for anything.
I think it's a bit of an invasion of privacy, really. :/

However, if it were applying for a job, then I'm all for it.

I'm not saying a person should go through high school totally stoned all the time and then
sober up when they get a job. I just think if "they" are paying you to do something, then
they should have a right to know if you're using drugs.

24 May 2009, 06:42 AM   #3
Eden
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I THINK I'M ALL FOR IT.
School students these days,
no matter elementary or high school or college,
they need to be tested.
If they're not tested, they'll remain addicted to drugs
the next thing you know
BAM! the whole school's addicted.
This junkie kid
will totally overcome his friends and persuade them to try some
&WOOT
BYE SANE MIND.

I think it's no trouble testing for anything, as long it's safe and sane.
Parents will also support what I have said.
What is Eden again? (:

24 May 2009, 12:23 PM   #4
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But, I recently heard of a circumstance where the people at the school thought a student was on drugs AND had them on her possession, so they tested and strip-searched her (the lady nurse, not a dude) but still, and they didn't notify the parents for either occurrence. How do people feel about something like that?

24 May 2009, 12:57 PM   #5
Nicolle
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I think they should tell their parents, because the parents need to know what's going on.
A kid in my school got drug tested, and the parents were never told of anything that
happened, which i think is  horrible.

24 May 2009, 03:29 PM   #6
Eden
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YES WELL
The school should have informed the parents.
If the parents agree to the test
they would allow their kid to be, well,
tested.
What is Eden again? (:

31 May 2009, 05:16 AM   #7
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I think the most practical solution is having the drug test available if there's a
student the faculty thinks is taking drugs. In my opinion, it'd be a waste of resources to
test all students. It'd take too much time, too much money, etc. 

I think the biggest problem with this is how effective drug tests are. A lot of the harder
drugs (meth, coke) are flushed out of the system very quickly. Two or three days and
there's no trace of it at all in the body. 

Ethically, it seems like a good back-up resource for schools to have but...not practical,
so no.

19 June 2009, 03:55 AM   #8
Eden
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I think the test should be ruling in every school.
Have you seen the junkies, hobos and the sort in New York?
some don't even look like junkies.
I think the most practical solution is having the drug test available if there's a student the faculty thinks is taking drugs.
I've SEEN people who take drugs regularly, and most of them DON'T look like they are in fact, addicts. Some still eat normally.
it'd be a waste of resources to test all students.
It will be more of a waste if the students grow up and become national trash.
What is Eden again? (:

19 June 2009, 05:36 AM   #9
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I've SEEN people who take drugs regularly, and most of them DON'T look like they are in fact, addicts. Some still eat normally.
That's exactly the problem. Even with the drug test, it's really really hard to tell whether someone's actually taking drugs. It's so so so easy to pass a drug test. I mean, most importantly, I'm pretty sure students are allowed to have privacy while they do their thing and pee into a cup. So how easy is it to tamper with that sample when you have that privacy? Pour water, or salt, or whatever else into it to mess up the results? Unless you want to have people watching the students while they pee, good luck preventing that tampering. Like I said, alot of the harder drugs are flushed out of the system really quickly. Like, within 24 hours. Most of the kids using drugs WILL NOT be caught. Drug tests are absolutely no where near 100% accurate. How many public schools have trouble merely funding extracurricular activities/textbooks/building maintenance/etc? How much more if they have to spend hundreds of dollars on pee cups?

19 June 2009, 12:20 PM   #10
Eden
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Unless you want to have people watching the students while they pee,
It will have to be necessary. :/ Or the doctors or whoever in charge should examine and check the student for any substance that can be used to manipulate the urine. &for the drugs being flushed out of the system? I'm pretty sure IF they find a student with harmful drugs still in the system, the student is SURE to be cross-examined to know where they got the drugs from. Whether it be from a fellow friend, or a dealer. If it was a friend, the friend will also be examined. The student will be questioned whether he had ever seen his friend smoking crack. If he had, then good. If he didn't, well: the friend is a dealer, since he obviously spread the drugs around. Or a near-dealer; whatever. About 98% of drug dealers smoke the stuff they promote. They are sure to be addicts. If the friend is an addict, he is sure to be having the drugs regularly to be able to think clearly. And in about 24 hours he will have drugs once, twice or even more. Therefore, I don't think the drugs can be flushed out 3 hours after being in the system. :l Most of the tests are. The "pee cups" can be recycled paper, or newspapers. It doesn't have to be the brand-new paper cups. The public schools have help, I guess it's some sort of donation, like welfare. As long as the schools have reasons for asking for donations, it's fine.
What is Eden again? (:

23 June 2009, 04:29 AM   #11
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I can understand the concern about the drug problem, but somehow I just can't support an
invasion of privacy like that. I'd never want someone watching me weewee and I'd never
want that for my kids. Assuming I ever have any hurrdurr. And I probably should have
clarified about the pee cups. It's not the pee cups themselves that are expensive, it's
doing the testing. I believe the figure was around $150 per student, but I could probably
search up the exact figure when I have more time. 

Maybe it's just me, but I always have a tendency to highly doubt attempts to completely
control or stop anything dead in it's tracks. These examples are a little
contrived...but I think about stuff like a controlled market and how a black market always
thrives without fail, I think about alcohol prohibition and how it only created an
opportunity for huge organized crime, I think about anti-pirating measures in software and
music and then the scope of the torrenting community.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that there are brilliant people trying to end drug
abuse. But there are just as many brilliant people trying to continue drug abuse. In the
end, I see a stalemate there and I think anti-drug measures should be preventative
instead of an all out assault against an already quite old, quite entrenched drug
industry.

And thanks for replying to all my long posts lol. I'm finding this debate pretty
interesting actually. :3

24 June 2009, 02:43 PM    #12
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I say that this is quite untrusting of the people that hand out the tests.
I agree, they are looking for the problem, not trying to solve it.
I think it's really just untrusting and wrong.



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