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Tuesday, 19 February 2008
11:39:23 AM (GMT)
Now in William Branham Msg....

What do my Christian Pals think about TRINITY. I GOT THE FOLLOWING FROM SOMEWHERE AND
i THOUGHT IT INTERESTING...What do u say...??????


The early church in it's simplicity and simple Faith in God, believed in One God; and
that God was all in all to them. He was their Father in creation, their Saviour
manifested in Jesus Christ and their Salvation in the form of the Holy Spirit 'in'
them. It was not until after the death of the 'original' apostles, and false apostles
(Revelation 2:2) entered the church, that the Godhead became an issue. These false
apostles began to bring heresy into the church, attempting to "organize" the
Christian Faith and exercise "control" over the laity. In Revelation 2:6 Jesus
identified this in the first Church Age (Ephesus) as "the deeds of the Nicolaitanes".
By the third Church Age (Pergamos) these 'deeds' had become a 'doctrine', called 'the
doctrine of the Nicolaitanes' (Revelation 2:15). Now, most of the Christian movement
had become "organized" under the "control" of man. Those opposing the teachings of
this Nicolaitane (conquer the laity) form of Christianity were put to death.

The Nicolaitane influence continued to grow in the church, causing more and more
controversy and division. Peter's prophecy had come to pass. In 2nd Peter 2:1 he
warned the Saints, saying, "But there were false prophets also among the people, even
as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable
heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift
destruction." One of those damnable heresies was the teaching of the trinity - three
person concept of the Godhead.

During the Apostolic Age of the early Church the Doctrine of the Trinity was unheard
of. The early church did not believe in three persons in the Godhead. They believed
in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - simply believing that each was a
"dispensational manifestation" of One and the same God. But with organized religion
came intellectual theologians, without Spiritual revelation. They took it upon
themselves to take the understanding of the Word out of the hands of the Holy Ghost
and place it in the hands of the 'clergy' of the organized church. Until finally,
during the dark ages, the organized anti-Christ church forbid the ordinary person to
read the Scriptures, causing them to depend entirely on the clergy for spiritual
guidance or rather, mis-guidance.

It was NOT until after the apostolic age that the theory of three persons in the
Godhead was introduced into the Church. Slowly but surely, the theologians were
making the Godhead an issue which eventually caused divisions within the Christian
community. Finally, in 325 A.D. Emperor Constantine called for a meeting of all the
Bishops of the "organized" church to settle the dispute. Hundreds of others attended
this meeting to express their views. There were about fifteen hundred delegates in
all; and the laity outnumbered the bishops five to one in the delegation. At this,
the first of all "Ecumenical Councils", held in Nicaea (now Iznik, Turkey) in 325
A.D., the subject of the Godhead became an issue and a cardinal doctrine, causing a
two way split among the people. But in spite of the large number of lay people
present, opposing the idea of 'three persons' in the Godhead, the Nicolaitanes (cold,
formal clergy), organized religion and Constantine's political plan out-maneuvered
and out-voted the true church.

The vast majority of Roman Bishops came away from that council believing in three
persons in the Godhead, thus believing in three Gods. But the true church, under the
leadership of the Holy Spirit, maintained their Scriptural stand that God is ONE -
not three; Because the Revelation through John by the Spirit to the churches was, "I
am the Lord Jesus Christ, and I am ALL of it - the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty.
There isn't any other God". And He [Jesus] put His seal on this Revelation. The
organized church of Rome became so powerful that it began a campaign of persecution
of the "True Church, eventually, putting 68,000,000 of them to death.

Foxe's Book of Martyrs clearly details the 'brutality' with which organized
Nicolaitane religion, in the form of the Roman Catholic Church, brutally murdered
68,000,000 protestants. Make no wonder, John, in the Book of Revelation said that
'she' (the false Nicolaitane church) was "drunk with the blood of the saints, and
with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus" (Revelation 17:6).

Still, after 1700 years no other Doctrine is as "sacred" to Traditional organized
Christianity (both Roman Catholic and Protestant) as the doctrine of the 'Trinity'.
To the 'traditional Christian' the teaching of the 'three person' concept of the
Godhead is a 'precious jewel' in their Christian confession. Dare anyone, even God
Himself, challenge the Scripturalness of it. Most professing Christians turn a blind
eye and a deaf ear to the truth of where the trinity - three person concept of God
originated. The tradition of the elders have made a false trinity doctrine the
cornerstone of the Christian Faith. For this they will answer to God

Concerning the Godhead, William Branham made the following statement in a Message
entitled, 'Abraham's Covenant Confirmed' (1961): "I am not 'Jesus Only'...I'm not
Oneness. Not at all. I'm not trinity either. I'm a Christian. I believe in God. I
believe in God manifested in three offices. NOW, His office is in my heart, in your
heart. Not another God somewhere else; another God somewhere else; and another God
somewhere else. That's as pagan as pagan can be. NEVER one time was that even thought
of until the Nicene Council. [You can't] find it in the Bible, or find it in history
- till that time - it's not there."

Though he embraced the "Oneness" formula for water baptism - in the NAME of the Lord
Jesus Christ, William Branham's view of the Godhead is far from the "Unitarian"
concept or the concept preached by the United Pentecostal Church. Yet, the teaching
of "three persons' in the Godhead is so ingrained in the people that to question it's
validity is immediately called heresy and branded as a 'cult'. The Churches which
follow the Message brought by William Branham have long been listed as cults; but
recently, on the internet, some self-proclaimed 'cult expert' branded the United
Pentecostal Church as a cult - all because they don't believe in the trinity. This is
ridiculous - No where, in Scripture are we "commanded" or asked to believe in 'three
persons' in the Godhead???

The first of the Ten Commandments gives instruction concerning how many Gods we are
to have - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Exodus 20:3). Notice, it says
'me' not 'us'. To interpret the word "us" in Genesis 1:26 as referring to a plurality
of persons in the Godhead is to say that there are three Gods. The term "us" is
mentioned again in Genesis 11:7 and in Genesis 18. In Genesis 18 the "us" comes down
to commune with Abraham. "One" of them is the LORD (Jehovah) Himself in human form.
Abraham bowed to this One, calling Him (capital) "LORD". The other two were Angels in
human form.

Because of the use of the plural pronoun in Genesis 1:26, this Scripture reference is
used extensively by Trinitarian theologians in their attempt to prove a 'three
person' concept of the Godhead. But they fail to perceive that this is God's way of
indicating, not a plurality of persons, but of offices or manifestations of the same
God. Down through the ages, since the beginning of time, He has revealed Himself to
man in many different 'forms' and different ways. But He forever remains the ONE and
self-same Being.

Trinitarians also point out the use of the plural name "Elohim" in Genesis 1:1,
saying that it conclusively indicates 'persons' in the Godhead. Elohim, however, is
used to depict other Old Testament deities (whether real or imaginary). Baal, Judges
6:31 and Beelzebub, 2nd Kings 1:2 are both called "Elohim", but they were not
trinities. Therefore the word, "Elohim" does not express a plurality of persons but
of attributes and of majesty. In the ancient theaters of hundreds of years ago an
'actor' could be called "Elohim" because it was the custom for 'one' actor to portray
many characters in the same play, simply by changing from one mask to another - but
he was still ONE person, playing many different characters.

Without 'spiritual revelation' most people are stumbled by such terms as 'we' and
'us'. Of course, taking the terminology out of the context of the whole Revelation of
the Godhead leads the carnal mind to conclude that there must be three persons in the
Godhead. They count: the Father (1) + the Son (1) + the Holy Ghost (1) = 3. But with
Divine 'Spiritual revelation', the Believer starts with the Great Eternal Spirit -
for God is a Spirit - He is the Holy Spirit; and out of the Holy Spirit came the
Fatherhood dispensation, the Sonship dispensation and the Holy Ghost (Spirit)
dispensation - three manifestations of the ONE God. God above us in the Fatherhood;
God with us in the Sonship; and God in us by the Holy Ghost.

Without a doubt, the majority of denominational, non-denominational and
inter-denominational church members have yet to acknowledge the Truth that has now
been accepted by most Christian intellectuals for decades - the Truth that a belief
in a trinity of "Three Persons" (in the Godhead), in modern language is nothing less
than tri-theism - a belief in "three God's". The distinguished theologian, Dr. Hans
Kung, in his book, Being A Christian, (1976, p.446) wrote, "The monotheistic faith
taken over from Israel...must never be abandoned in any doctrine of the Trinity.
There is no God but God."

Yet that is exactly what denominational Christianity did - they abandoned the "one"
God of Israel in favor of a three-headed monstrosity called "The Holy Trinity". It is
anything but "holy". In fact the Bible speaks of "three unclean spirits" like frogs,
coming out of the mouth of the Dragon, the Beast and the false prophet (Rev. 16:13).
The True Prophet of God to this Endtime Age said that these 'three unclean spirits'
is the "three person trinity" teaching which was introduced into the Church in 325
A.D. It is one of the biggest deceptions which the Devil has pushed over on the
church since the Serpent persuaded Eve that the fruit of the forbidden tree would
make her wise 'like God'. But the carnal wisdom and knowledge she inherited was
bitter and not better - she could well have done without it.

The church world could well do without the Trinity teaching concept of 'three
persons' in the Godhead. For some protestants the teaching of a Saturday-Sabbath or
some other doctrine is the key to their experience and relationship with God; to the
vast majority of protestants the trinity teaching seems to be the cornerstone of
their faith. With the same fervor with which patriotic citizens sing their national
anthem, even so the Trinitarians sing "Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty; God in
three persons, Blessed Trinity". Such an idea flies in the face of not only common
sense but more importantly, the HOLY Scriptures.

It is written......

    Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which
of those works do ye stone me?
    The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for
blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself
God........................John 10:32-33

Because Jesus claimed to be God - not 'one-third' part of God, but God Himself, the
Pharisees were about to stone Him to death. In John chapter 8 they again wanted to
stone Him when He said, "Before Abraham was, I AM." He declared Himself to be the "I
AM" (verses 58-59). When God commissioned Moses to go down into Egypt to bring Israel
out of bondage He identified Himself to Moses as the "I AM" - NOT the "WE ARE". Jesus
plainly declared Himself to be the "I AM".

In Isaiah 44:6 The Jehovah of the Old Testament identified Himself to Israel with
these words:

    Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I
[am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.

In Revelation 1:8, 11 the Jesus of the New Testament identified Himself to the Church
with these words:

    I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and
which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.....the First and the Last.

Therefore, the Jehovah of the Old Testament is the Jesus of the New Testament. All
these expressions, 'Alpha', 'Omega', 'beginning', 'ending', `Him Which Is', and `Him
Which Was', and `Is To Come', and 'the Almighty' are titles and descriptions of the
ONE AND THE SAME PERSON - the Lord Jesus Christ, Who washed us from our sins in His
own blood. We have been redeemed with the 'blood of God'. Paul in Acts 20:28 said.
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy
Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased
with his own blood." After Jesus had experienced death, burial and resurrection,
Thomas, in John 20:28 declared Him to be "My Lord and my God". 1st. John 5:20
declares Jesus Christ to be "the True God, and eternal Life". Romans 9:5 also
declares Jesus Christ to be God - Supreme Deity. The references goes on and on.

The Spirit of God in John, especially in the Book of Revelation, clearly expresses
the Supreme Deity of Jesus Christ and reveals the Godhead as ONE God. Still man
insists on telling God that He is 'three' and not 'one'. With the carnal mind, man
'starts' with the Father and says: The Father is God; then the Son is God; and of
course the Holy Spirit is God; therefore, that makes three persons. But the
'spiritual' mind 'starts' with "One God" and says: God is the Father; God is the Son;
and God is the Holy Spirit - One God in three major manifestations of His Character!
The Trinity - three person concept of the Godhead is a carnal interpretation of a
spiritual revelation - hidden from the eyes of the wise and prudent and revealed to
babes such as would learn (Matthew 11:2. As we have already stated above - to have
'three persons' is to have 'three Gods'.

It is also pointed out by Trinitarians that there were "three" present at the Baptism
of Jesus by John the Baptist. They explain that the Father was in Heaven, the Holy
Spirit was somewhere between heaven and earth; and Jesus, the Son, was on earth. But
there is no "clearer proof" of God's majesty and manifestations than this picture of
Jesus in the river Jordan. It is well within the realms of Divine Omnipotence for God
to be in heaven and on earth at the same time. JESUS CLAIMED HIMSELF TO BE JUST THAT
- on earth and in heaven at the same time.

Note John 3:13.....

    And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even]
the Son of man which is in heaven.

Note John 1:18.....

    No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of
the Father, he hath declared [him].

In John 14:10 Jesus claimed that it was the Father who dwelt IN Him that did the
marvelous works. IF the Father remains in heaven while the Spirit descended, WHERE
and HOW did the Father get into Christ? This question leads us to one conclusion -
the Spirit who descended also had to be the Father.

Another point in question for the trinitarians is the scene of Jesus praying in the
Garden of Gethsemane - to whom did He pray? Also, in an attempt to support their
concept of two or three persons in the Godhead, they point to Jesus on the Cross,
praying to the Father. A Trinitarian would ask, "Did Jesus pray to Himself? If not,
then there must be another person in the Godhead to whom He is praying."

The key to simplify our understanding of these scenarios is in recognizing His deity
and His humanity. Jesus was not praying to Himself. If He were an ordinary man - born
in sin, that would have been the case; but Jesus was NOT an ordinary man - He was God
and man! He had a dual nature and was performing a dual role. In Jesus, it was His
humanity praying to His divinity - a man praying to the God that He was. A God that
was both in Him and in heaven (John 14:10; Matthew 12:50).

One well-known 'Christian' magazines contained the following statement, by a modern
theologian, defending the Trinity teaching: ".....the New Testament with equal
clearness teaches that the Father is God, and the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is
God, and that these three are NOT three aspects of the same Person, but three persons
standing in a truly personal relationship to one another. There we have the great
doctrine of the Three Persons but one God."

Such a statement makes neither common or spiritual sense. To believe such a statement
can best be described in the Words of Jesus: "[Ye] blind guides, which strain at a
gnat, and swallow a camel....which indeed appear beautiful outward..... outwardly
appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity." Matthew
23:24,27-28. We preach to a generation blinded by the "tradition of the elders". But
there is hope - We have a promise of a restoration of Truth and God has fulfilled
that promise.

Along with many other teachings of the early church, the true understanding of the
Godhead as ONE God was lost when the leadership of the Holy Spirit in the church was
usurped by the leadership of man. Holy Ghost leadership and God's 'predestinated
plan' was feed to the lions, burned at the stake, tortured to death; and (without the
Holy Ghost) human leadership, organized religion and made-made theology and programs
came in. The True Church entered that time of it's history which we refer to as 'the
dark ages'.

including the mystery of the Godhead, the correct formula for Water Baptism, the
'Original' sin, and many other mysteries - finishing the Mystery of God, as promised
in Malachi 4:5-6, Revelation 10:1-7, Matthew 17:11 and Acts 3:21 PLUS many other
references. Thank God for sending His Prophet, with the Truth, to this end-time age.

Kirti says:   19 February 2008   453147  
im pagan, and ive never heard any of that. were those number
references to the bibel?

my mom has one of those, and a koran, and a celtic holy book, but i
never read them.
Kirti says:   19 February 2008   523797  
to  be frank, im a bit worried about those disturbing stories in the
Bibel. i went to this Christian daycare as a kid, and they told this
story about a three legged sheep that didnt get to leave with the
sheperds and didnt even get a blanket  but he heard a baby being born
and it went and sat on it but the baby was Jesus and the three legged
sheep saved his life because Jesus didnt freeze due to the three
legged sheep sitting on him.

i mean really, why would tell kids ages four to ten about a three
legged sheep siting on a baby?
pacemikode says:   25 February 2008   588656  
Well I think the Bible should answer 4 itself. The refs in this entry
r purely from the Bible .
Arthy says :   20 March 2008   539623  
U kno Pac i agree that the bible answers for itself but some 
interpretetions by pple r so wrong that view "trinity" as a pargan
thing but i think that God does work in-Trinity ” in What Does The
Bible Say About

Trinitarian Support
One of the most important teachings of Christianity is the concept of
the Trinity, the belief that God is one God, but exists in three
Persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. However, the Bible does not
offer an explanation of this concept so much as a presentation of it.
It assumes a triune God but does not try to “prove” the Trinity.

In 2 Thessalonians, Paul seeks to enrich his readers' understanding of
their new life in Christ by telling them about works done on their
behalf by all three Persons of the Godhead. These same benefits are
ours as believers today:

The Father has selected us for salvation, loves us, and gives us
consolation and hope (2 Thess. 2:13, 16).
The Son shares His glory with us and provides comfort and stability in
the faith (2 Thess. 2:14, 16).
The Spirit purifies (“sanctifies”) us and develops our faith (2
Thess. 2:13).
As believers, we have a powerful, caring, active God working on our
behalf. For the first-century Christians at Thessalonica, that was a
distinct contrast to the many gods of the surrounding Greek and Roman
cultures that were often passive, sometimes capricious, and terribly
self-absorbed. Likewise in our own day, our God is infinitely more
powerful and personal than the vague “higher power” to which many
people allude.

The doctrine of the Trinity may be difficult to comprehend, but as
always we see in a dim mirror when it comes to ultimate truth (1 Cor.
13:12). Nevertheless, we can obediently respond to what we know
clearly and not dwell on things that are cloudy. One thing we know for
sure: our God is for us in every way!
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