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Monday, 19 September 2011
07:37:46 PM (GMT)
Before I start, I would like to say that I personally am 100% pro-life.  I do
believe that a fetus is a life and that (in most cases, anyway; of course
there is always grey area) it's wrong to take that life.  

    However, a few of us were talking about this in class today, and I was actually
wondering how anyone, even pro-life individuals such as myself, can be against the
legalization of abortion.  Look at it this way- abortions, unfortunately, are going
to happen whether we like it or not.  However, in situations where abortion is
illegal, women will seek alternate methods.  These often include home abortions, or
renting an unsanitary motel room and getting a doctor to perform it  "behind closed
doors."  Neither of these practices are in any way safe for the mother.  She has a
high chance of either dying/permanently injuring herself during the procedure, or
developping an infection afterwards.  Sometimes these at-home jobs can be done with
equipment as rudimentary and germ-infested as a clothing hanger.
    Sadly, fetuses will be aborted and die no matter what we do.  The question is
whether or not we are going to risk another life in the process.  Logic dictates
that, no matter where you stand, abortion must be legal in order to help save another
life.

   Discuss?
Last edited: 22 September 2011

Comments 
bloodbaths says:   19 September 2011   628575  
then cocaine should be legal for ur same reasons
 
tiggerlemon101 says:   19 September 2011   843932  
@bloodbaths 
You misunderstand.

In places where abortion is legal, the mother is not at risk because
the procedure is done in sanitary conditions with the utmost medical
technology available.  If it is illegal, she's more likely to die.

With cocaine, the user will die whether it's legal or not.  My
argument is not about the baby, who, like the cocaine user, will
unfortunately die either way.  It is about the mother, who can be
spared. 
 
Kirti says:   20 September 2011   760446  
I've listened to both sides of the abortion debate in an attempt to
find myself with a strong opinion in the matter, but it simply hasn't
worked.

But like most moderates, I say a woman shouldn't be looked down upon
for getting an abortion in a case of rape, when the child will be born
with an incurable disease,  if the birth of the child will kill the
mother, if the mother is too young to support the child, ect.
And since I admit to cases when it's necessary, it follows that I
agree with you- it can't be left up to homejobs.
 
bloodbaths says:   20 September 2011   159125  
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions
occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother
or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the
child is unwanted or inconvenient).

Number of abortions per year: Approximately 42 Million
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 115,000
 
lifeisaboxofchocolates says:   20 September 2011   551695  
If there is a rape or a violation of a woman or a disease that will
be passed on to the fetus then perhaps there should be a discussion as
to what needs to be done. As for getting pregnut and people
 not being ready for a child,why would they not think about that
before that
before they laid down together? Birth control is not fail proof I
realize that and  things do happen,but when you choose to take a life
because of being irresponsible and not wanting to suffer the 
consequences of your actions, I believe that is where a line is
crossed over. If you don't want an infant, there are a lot of
alternatives for that child besides a suction tube. Adoption comes to
mind,as there are lots of couples that cant have children. I also know
whatever decision a person makes they will have to live with it the
rest of their lives..knowing they have a child out there, or that they
have taken a life.
bloodbaths says:   20 September 2011   758137  
@lifeisaboxofchocolates 
i agree
people always use the "rape" reason for allowing laws on abortion when
if you look at the statistics, rape accounts for very small % of
abortions.

"93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the
child is unwanted or inconvenient)." 
 
tiggerlemon101 says:   20 September 2011   839543  
@lifeisaboxofchocolates 
@bloodbaths 
On a personal standpoint I agree with you guys (although,
bloodbaths, I'm not sure where your statistics came from but I
don't think they're accurate.   
However, that's really not what I was saying.  Did you actually read
what I wrote?

@Kirti 
I agree.  I like to think that, if it were me, I'd keep the baby
anyways (unless they were like 99.9% going to die of health
complications), but we simply can't know until we're in that
situation.  As such, although I am against abortion, I don't think you
can judge someone on a situation you've never been  in. 
 
bloodbaths says:   21 September 2011   896646  
 
tiggerlemon101 says:   21 September 2011   543663  
@bloodbaths 
Obviously anti-abortion websites are going to word things to their
favour.  Plus, those statistics could be totally bogus, which is less
likely but still a possibility.  Remember, I'm playing devil's
advocate in a way here as I'm against abortion, too, but look at it
this way:

The 7% of "justified" abortion only include rape and medical problems.
 They aren't looking at the 30% of abortions that are done by women
earning less than $15,000 a year, or the 20% obtained by teenagers.
You're a guy, and guys tend to have a hard time sympathizing.  There
is a difference in supporting and sympathizing- I do not
support abortion, but as a teenage girl I would sympathize with
another teenager who got an abortion. 
 
tiggerlemon101 says:   21 September 2011   335412  
@Kirti 
Dude, I reread your comment and I just want to say that I completely
understand where you're coming from- the more I hear about abortion,
the foggier my opinion becomes. 
 
fireonthemountain says:   22 September 2011   181617  
@Kirti 
I 100% agree with you here. 
 
‹RAWRbrontosaursRAWR› says:   22 September 2011   502291  
Of course abortion should be legal for the exact reasons you point.
Long before doctors were able to create a safe sanitary way of
abortions, women were getting back ally abortions and servery hurting
themselves .. and those abortions did not always kill the baby causing
the child to be horribly handicapped. If the United States were to
make it illegal these same thing would happen again... back ally
abortions still happen today because of the actual cost of the
abortion and the fact that all abortions must be paid for in cash. As
much as people pass judgement and express their opinion on the matter,
it is not our decision to make. If we do we are taking away the right
to women's own body and therefore violating the constitution and the
right to one's own pursuit of happiness. As for their reasons one can
never clearly judge whether an abortion is justifiable because we are
not the mother and cannot possibly know her entire situation. As for
these statistics is is a known fact that most cases of rape and incest
go unreported therefore no one can ever truly know the actual percent
of abortions due to these causes
 
bloodbaths says:   22 September 2011   887697  
so much for the rights of the baby??

if ur gonna fuck at least use protection and not rely on abortion as a
method of birth control.
 
‹RAWRbrontosaursRAWR› says:   22 September 2011   319571  
Well it depend on if you define the fetus as a life and to in our
country the supreme court does not define a fetus as a life... I don't
have the quote near by right now but i do however know alot about the
arguments having done a highly researched paper. Its obvious you
define the fetus as a baby but really the fetus doe not have a heart
beat until 2 weeks into the pregnancy... if the abortion is done
before than there is very little room to argue that the fetus is
alive. By not caring for the rights of the  mother you are basically
saying that women are a mechanism that's only purpose in life is to
bare and raise children, and not a human being... there is no easy
answer to abortion but until you are pregnant... you cannot really
have a fully informed opinion on the matter... even I don't ... I just
think its a women's decision not the entire country's
 
tiggerlemon101 says:   22 September 2011   656726  
@bloodbaths 
I 100% believe in the rights of the baby, but that's not the issue. 
The issue is that, unfortunately, the if a woman wants an abortion
badly enough, she'll get one anyway, and then it can become two lives
lost instead of just one.

You can't argue that logic. 
 
tiggerlemon101 says:   22 September 2011   258921  
@bloodbaths 
And, like I said, support and sympathize are not the same thing.  Just
because you think what someone did was wrong doesn't mean you don't
understand where they were coming from.
It infuriates me when people are so black and white on this issue;
either 100% pro-life or 100% pro-choice.  Anyone with a functioning
brain recognizes the fact that there is grey matter involved. 
 
‹RAWRbrontosaursRAWR› says:   27 September 2011   216843  
@tiggerlemon101 
I disagree I'm 100% pro-choice I'm not saying abortion is the best
option but its not my choice, and a woman has that right to get one
without judgement

But yes It is better to have them legal for health reasons all around,
even mental heath of the woman 
 
tiggerlemon101 says:   27 September 2011   340556  
@go_crazy_let_it_all_out 
I'm sure you at least see the other side though.  The difference with
abortion and pretty much anything else is that both sides make sound,
reasonable sense.  It ultimately comes down to which path you think is
more morally right, because you're either looking out for the rights
of the mother or the rights of the child.  Both are noble. 
 
‹RAWRbrontosaursRAWR› says:   28 September 2011   387660  
@tiggerlemon101
Yeah, that's why its the woman's choice.... the public shouldn't
determine this because both choices are noble and it is her choice on
which fight she wants to fight for 
 
tiggerlemon101 says :   28 September 2011   165652  
@go_crazy_let_it_all_out 
Exactly!  I am personally strongly against abortion, but there's no
way I would ever judge a woman who got one or go around touting my
opinion like it's some sacred law. 
 

 
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